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Florida Seeks To Enshrine Discrimination in the Constitution

by: quinnelk

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 18:13:26 PM EDT


On today's radio show, I talked about the upcoming Amendment 2 that we will vote on in November.  I've taken to calling this the Hate Amendment.  You should, too.  Why?  Because this so-called gay marriage ban would not only ban gay marriage, which is already illegal in Florida, it would prevent cities and companies from providing benefits of any sort to gay couples and would also affect many straight couples and just plain roommates in a very negative way.  I went through the list of arguments against the Amendment and you can feel free to pick and choose amongst the various arguments based on your location and audience.  Here they are:
quinnelk :: Florida Seeks To Enshrine Discrimination in the Constitution
1. It's morally wrong to ban gay marriage.  We are talking about taxpaying American citizens and such a ban would deny them a basic human right available to all other citizens.
2. It is unconstitutional under the federal Constitution.  You can't deny any citizen a right without due process and without a legitimate reason.  Neither of those is present here.
3. It would enshrine hate in the Constitution, something that we really shouldn't be doing.  Putting such hatred in our highest document means that such hatred is legitimized.
4. This would be the first time that we used the Florida Constitution to take away rights, something that is at odds with basic constitutional principles.  Constitutions exist to protect rights, not remove them.
5. At the federal level, we only tried to take away rights via the Constitution one time -- prohibition -- and it was an unmitigated disaster, leading to the Great Depression and the rise of organized crime in America. Is that the type of history we want to repeat?
6. It's unnecessary.  Gay marriage is already illegal in Florida.
7. This law teaches hate to children.  By legalizing hate in the Constitution, we tell children that such hate is acceptable.  We should never teach hate to children.  The government, in particular, should never teach hate to anyone.
8. The Republican slogan is "Less Taxes, Less Government, More Freedom."  This Amendment proves that is a lie.  This Amendment clearly means less freedom.  Less freedom for individuals to choose who they love.  Less freedom for cities to give benefits to who they choose to.  Less freedom for corporations to provide benefits to their employees as they see fit.  A dirty little secret here is that conservatives actually hate freedom.  They love it for themselves, but they hate it for the rest of us.  This Amendment proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
9. Gay marriage has never hurt anyone.  Gay adoption has never hurt anyone.  No gay right has ever caused any harm to anyone.
10. This Amendment, however, does hurt gay people.  Particularly in those cities and working for those companies that do provide benefits.  It hurts straight people who fall under its Draconian language.  It hurts children who are taught to hate.  It hurts us all because we become less civilized.
11. This Amendment would limit various rights that people currently have or might have, such as hospital visitation rights, the right to make decisions for your ill spouse, inheritance rights when there is no will, parental rights and more than a thousand other rights that marriage confers by law.
12. This Amendment would provide cover for Domestic abusers who live in situations where they aren't married.  Don't believe me?  A judge ruled exactly this in another state where a law with this same language passed.
13. By increasing the legitimacy of discrimination and hatred, this will encourage more hatred, discrimination and violence against gay people.
14. The role of the government is to protect citizens, not hurt them.
15. If you are a Christian, this directly violates the teachings of Christ.  In addition to the substitution of earthly judgment for God's judgment it violates the admonition to "judge not, lest ye be judged."  Beyond that, Christ never said a single word about gay people, but said thousands of words about helping those in poverty.  Christians who obsess about gay people and ignore poverty are not only hypocrites, they are in direct violation of the teachings of Christ.  And to those who say that the Old Testament has admonitions against homosexuality, maybe it does, but it also has many other admonitions, almost none of which modern people follow.  For instance, one part of Leviticus specifically says that a woman on her period should be kept in a shed outside of the home while she has her period and that she shouldn't be touched.  If you don't follow that rule (and many others), choosing to adhere to a strict literal interpretation of the passages on homosexuality are not you living by biblical principles, that's just you being a bigot.

Throughout the year, we'll come back to this issue often as we have a real chance to beat this Amendment and we have a moral obligation to do so.
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In November Florida will be addressing Amendment 2, which bans gay marriage once and for all in Florida, even though its already illegal?

From a fellah named quinnelk at a Florida news blog I frequent.  He has listed 15 reasons Amendment 2 is wrong, none of them make any sense at all.  His words are in quotes...

Ultimately it would prevent cities and companies from providing benefits, of any sort, to gay couples and would also affect many straight couples and just plain roommates in a very negative way.  I went through the list of arguments against the Amendment and you can feel free to pick and choose amongst the various arguments based on your location and audience.  Here they are:

1. It's morally wrong to ban gay marriage.  We are talking about taxpaying American citizens and such a ban would deny them a basic human right available to all other citizens.

What morals are you referring to fellah?  Morals for 99.9% of the world come from religious teachings and convictions and do not embrace your chosen lifestyle.  I actually don't think anyone cares what you do in your home.  But marriage is a religious ceremony, leave it alone.   And what "human rights" are you referring to?  Are you pulling the old liberal trick of confusing yourself by mistaking rights with privileges?

2. It is unconstitutional under the federal Constitution.  You can't deny any citizen a right without due process and without a legitimate reason.  Neither of those is present here.

Where in the Constitution does it say that you have a right to lay with some one of the same sex?

3. It would enshrine hate in the Constitution, something that we really shouldn't be doing.  Putting such hatred in our highest document means that such hatred is legitimized.

The Constitution is what it is, it isn't something to be altered every time some dick head wants a footnote added.  Again you have tricked yourself with the liberal lie that the Constitution is a "living document."

4. This would be the first time that we used the Florida Constitution to take away rights, something that is at odds with basic constitutional principles.  Constitutions exist to protect rights, not remove them.

There is absolutely no right in our Constitution granting a right for two people of the same gender to marry.  I think if you and your crew tried calling it a contract or civil union people might have an easier time  accepting it.  Instead you insist on hijacking something that is holy and sacred to the vast majority of society.

5. At the federal level, we only tried to take away rights via the Constitution one time -- prohibition -- and it was an unmitigated disaster, leading to the Great Depression and the rise of organized crime in America. Is that the type of history we want to repeat?

Sooo, if we don't legitimize gay marriage, Capone is going to come back from the dead and bankrupt America?  Now your just being stupid, liberalism is what will bankrupt America....

6. It's unnecessary.  Gay marriage is already illegal in Florida.

Then what are you worried for?

7. This law teaches hate to children.  By legalizing hate in the Constitution, we tell children that such hate is acceptable.  We should never teach hate to children.  The government, in particular, should never teach hate to anyone.

How do you equate this to teaching hate to children?  Don't you understand that the huge majority of society does not want their children exposed forcefully to homosexuality?  Do what you want, but leave the rest of us out of it.

8. The Republican slogan is "Less Taxes, Less Government, More Freedom."  This Amendment proves that is a lie.  This Amendment clearly means less freedom.  Less freedom for individuals to choose who they love.  Less freedom for cities to give benefits to who they choose to.  Less freedom for corporations to provide benefits to their employees as they see fit.  A dirty little secret here is that conservatives actually hate freedom.  They love it for themselves, but they hate it for the rest of us.  This Amendment proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

No one is stopping you from doing what you want. Refer to my answer for #7.

9. Gay marriage has never hurt anyone.  Gay adoption has never hurt anyone.  No gay right has ever caused any harm to anyone.

What about the 99% of the population that doesn't want anything to do with the gay lifestyle? They aren't "harmed?"  What about the warped sense of self and gender the children of gay couples are subject to and the teasing form peers?  They aren't "harmed?"  I saw some footage of Rosie O'Donnell's kids, I pray for them.... it's sad actually that they will never know normal functioning parent role models.

10. This Amendment, however, does hurt gay people.  Particularly in those cities and working for those companies that do provide benefits.  It hurts straight people who fall under its Draconian language.  It hurts children who are taught to hate.  It hurts us all because we become less civilized.

Ask your lawyer and employer if there is some sort of trust, living will or contracts you can draw up between you and your partner, I am sure you will find something that suits those needs perfectly, but that's not your real agenda is it?  Your agenda is imposing a liberal lifestyle on the rest of society who doesn't want it...  And you silly little person, children are not taught hate, they are taught traditional morals.  Try to spin it anyway you like, the natural order of things is for men to mate with women, plain and simple... and is your idea of "civilized" those parades we see in San Fransicko?  No thank you please....

11. This Amendment would limit various rights that people currently have or might have, such as hospital visitation rights, the right to make decisions for your ill spouse, inheritance rights when there is no will, parental rights and more than a thousand other rights that marriage confers by law.

Again, a lawyer can create all the contracts you want, please stop trying to call it marriage.  Why don't you get that?

12. This Amendment would provide cover for Domestic abusers who live in situations where they aren't married.  Don't believe me?  A judge ruled exactly this in another state where a law with this same language passed.

Now your just sounding insane... what are you talking about?

13. By increasing the legitimacy of discrimination and hatred, this will encourage more hatred, discrimination and violence against gay people.

"Hatred, discrimination and violence against gay people"...  My friend, aside from isolated incident's from some nut bags, this comes from the gay community trying to force itself, via the courts, on the 99% of the population that doesn't want anything to do with it.  Dude I'm not bashing, I just don't know how you don't get that...

14. The role of the government is to protect citizens, not hurt them.

The role of the government is not to meddle in the lives of its citizens big guy....  We are a representative republic, this democracy thing is something conjured up by the left.  Why does it make sense to you for a very small minority to impose its will on the majority via law suits?  Why is that okay?

15. If you are a Christian, this directly violates the teachings of Christ.  In addition to the substitution of earthly judgment for God's judgment it violates the admonition to "judge not, lest ye be judged."  Beyond that, Christ never said a single word about gay people, but said thousands of words about helping those in poverty.  Christians who obsess about gay people and ignore poverty are not only hypocrites, they are in direct violation of the teachings of Christ.  And to those who say that the Old Testament has admonitions against homosexuality, maybe it does, but it also has many other admonitions, almost none of which modern people follow.  For instance, one part of Leviticus specifically says that a woman on her period should be kept in a shed outside of the home while she has her period and that she shouldn't be touched.  If you don't follow that rule (and many others), choosing to adhere to a strict literal interpretation of the passages on homosexuality are not you living by biblical principles, that's just you being a bigot.

Throughout the year, we'll come back to this issue often as we have a real chance to beat this Amendment and we have a moral obligation to do so.

You've stopped making any sense again fellah, I'm not a christian and the only ones obsessing about gay people are liberals like you.  Most people could care less what you do in your home, but when you bring it into our schools, our work place and in our society in general and force people to accommodate a lifestyle they don't agree with, then you've got a problem buddy...

I hope you at least consider this view, if you call it bashing then you really haven't listened and I have wasted my time...  cheers!

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